>> i'm chris wallace. president obama considers what to do next after u.s. intelligence says pro russian separatists shot down that malaysian airline jet over ukraine. >> we know these separatists have received support from russia. it includes heavy weapons. and it includes anti-aircraft weapons. >> we'll look in depth at the investigation of the shoot down and how the u.s. and europe will respond. we'll talk with secretary of state john kerry and the leaders of the senate foreign relations committee, chairman robert menendez and top republican bob corker. plus with a downed airliner israel's invasion of gaza, and a four month extension of nuclear

talks with iran, how responsible is president obama for the crises overseas? our sunday panel weighs in. then the surge of immigrant children across the border. republicans blame the president. >> the way you then kids you eliminate the magnet which is president obama's amnesty. >> we'll talk with texas senator ted cruz who has his own plan to address the crisis. all right now on fox news sunday. and hello again from fox news in washington. it's been an extraordinary week on the world stage. evidence mounts rebels shot down that passenger jet over ukraine. israel continues its invasion on gaza. we'll talk with secretary of state john kerry and two key senators in a moment. but we begin with fox team coverage of the latest developments. senior white house correspondent ed henry and steve harrigan.

steve. >> reporter: video just released but taken two days ago shows the flight video recorders taken from the plane but two days later it's not clear where are they, who has them. russian backed rebels say they don't have them. ukraine released intercepted phone conversations that show the rebels talking about the voice data recorders that they have them, that they intend to keep them from foreign hands, they are very important to moscow. what is clear this crash scene is still not secure, this is a flap from a wing behind me. the bodies remain to be found and identified. these men are local miners. they are trying to help find pieces of the plane as well as body parts. we're going to have to be careful here with the images we show you. you'll have to take my word for

it. three days in, there's a terrible smell in this field. that's because bodies and body parts of a yet to be picked up. we won't show you the image but just off here to my right there's a piece of what looks like to be bone and intestine, blood charred and what looks to be a leg bone here to my left. here comes another body. we've been watching over the past few minutes, body after body come out of this wreckage. keep in mind this is day three. slow pain staking work by four or five men by hand. those bodies or body parts being bagged in plastic, dropped by the side of the road. some have been taken to morgues on the ukrainian side, some of them to the rebel side. most still now unidentified. a real source of pain for the victims' families. we have seen today european crash site experts from the osce on the ground and they have

confirmed that evidence from the crash site has disappeared. chris? >> steve harrigan reporting from eastern ukraine. let's get the latest on the administration's response from fox news chief white house correspondent ed henry. >> reporter: there's several emergency meetings in the last 24 hours dealing with hot spots. the president has received multiple updates especially latest intelligence assessment of the downed jet airliner. it shows that russia provided the separatists with sophisticated anti-aircraft missiles within with weeks. investigators need unfettered access to the crash site to prevent a cover up from president putin. on gaza, the president will give prime minister netanyahu in israel some latitude to continue this offensive so long as it's

mostly focused on those tunnels, clearing out the tunnels that harbor terrorists. if more civilians die you'll hear more noise from the administration. on nuclear talks with iran. the white house is defending their move to extend the deadline. that was supposed to be today. the president said they are close, closest in decades to a good deal to end iran from getting nuclear weapons. they want congress to give them four more months. there's pressure from republicans and democrats to issue immediately new sanctions against iran. the bottom line this week started with top administration officials insisting the president's policies are making the world more tranquil. they said they realize there's problems. republicans suggest the president's policies are not about tranquility instead showing weakness. >> ed, thank you. joining us now to discuss all these issues is the secretary of state, john kerry who is in boston. secretary kerry, welcome back to

fox news sunday. >> thank you, chris. >> pro russian separatists reportedly removed almost 200 bodies from the crash site and are continuing to refuse to allow investigators full access to the site. has this investigation already been compromised, sir? >> well, it's been seriously compromised. you know, not with standing president putin and russia saying they would help to enforce the idea of a full investigation, that it had integrity and access. we haven't. on friday the monitors and the people trying to get in there to cure the site were given 75 minutes. yesterday they were given three hours. dunken, literally drunken separatist soldiers are piling bodies into trucks uns

unceremoniously. airplane parts have been removed. we need full access and this is a moment of truth for russia. some of the leads of the separatists are russians. russia arms these separatists. russia trains these separatists. russia supports these separatists. russia has refused to call on them publicly to do the things that need to be done. so i think this is a fundamental moment of truth for russia, for mr. putin. they need to exert all of the influences they have in order to protect the full integrity of this investigation. >> secretary kerry, you say that they armed the separatists, they trained the separatists. i want to try to get your latest intelligence on what the russian role was in this shoot down. did they supply the missile that was used to shoot down this airliner? did they have some complicit direct or indirect in the actual

decision and the action of shooting down the missile? >> chris, you can't draw a final conclusion to a investigation before you had the investigation. let me tell you what we know and people can begin to make their own assessment. we know to a certainty within the last month, a major convoy of 150 vehicles including tanks, artillery, multiple rocket launchers, and armored personnel c carriers all crossed over from russia into this area of ukraine and these things were turned over to separatists. this is one instance. we know to a certainty the separatists gained sufficiency in using sophisticated surface to air missiles and have shot down 12 aircraft in the last month including two transport planes. we know to a certainty we saw the launch from this area of what we deemed to be an sa-11

because of the altitude, 33,000 feet and because of the trajectory. we have the trajectory recorded. we know that it occurred at the very moment that this aircraft disappeared from the radar screen. we know that very shortly thereafter separatists were bragging in the social media about having shot down a transport plane. we know that the so-called defense munster of the people's republic of donetsk actually posted a bragging social media posting of having shot down a military transport and then when it became apparent it was civilian they pulled it down from social media. we have voices that we have overheard of separatists in russian bragging about the shoot down and then subsequently taking down social media. >> secretary kerry, i know you were a prosecutor in

massachusetts. a very strong case with a lot of russian involvement which raises the question in the immediate aftmath of the shoot down on friday, president obama said he still is not going to provide military aid to ukraine and he said that he is not going to impose new sanctions on russia. if i may finish my question, sir. if this is an outrage of unspeakable roportion as the president said why not impose a greater cost on vladimir putin? >> the president imposed a greater cost on vladimir putin the day before this shoot down took place. and what we are doing now is trying to bring our european counterparts along because we have 4% of russia's trade is with the united states. 50% of their engagement is with europe. so we're trying to encourage our european friends to realize this is a wake up call and hopefully they will also join us in these tougher sanctions. >> again, sir --

>> let me finish. the president is prepared to take additional steps, and we are discussing with the ukrainians right now what they need, what else we can do, and i don't think anything except american troops going there, other things are on the table, chris. >> sir, respectfully that's not true. you just gave a long list of what putin is providing the separatists from surface to air missiles to tanks, we're providing the ukrainian troops with mres. you talk about putting pressure on the europeans. the president didn't put any pressure on the europeans. instead he is a said this. >> we feel confident at this point the sanctions we put in place are imposed on russia their overall global impact on economy is minimal. >> secretary kerry, if i may ask

my question. if the massacre of 300 civilians isn't enough, what is it going to take for the united states and russia to go after entire sector, not individual companies or individuals, but entire sectors of the russian economy. >> chris, that particular little clip is really taken out of context. it refers to the antions we had in place taking a cost. the president has not taken off the table the notion that there may be additional sanctions. in fact he said there would be additional sanctions if we can't move this process forward. >> what about sanctions for shooting down the plane. >> chris, let me finish. we're currently in discussions with our european allies precisely with respect to what the next steps will be. and rather than shoot from the hip, the president is going to do this in a thoughtful way where it's one day, two days later. we're just gathering more facts. and i think it takes facts for

responsible leadership. so that's exactly what we're doing. >> we obviously have limited time and a lot to talk to you about. you announced friday that the u.s. and the allies are extending talks, nuclear talks with iran for another four months. but when those talks began six months ago, members of the administration promised that there would be new sanctions if there was not a deal, not an agreement by the deadline which, in fact, is today. look at what various administration officials have said, sir. >> if iran's leaders don't seize this opportunity i'll be the first to call for more sanctions and stand ready to exercise all options to make sure iran doesn't build a nuclear weapon. >> yes after six months we can put in place more sanctions. >> secretary kerry that last person was your spokesperson. instead of sanctions iran is going to get $2.8 billion more

in assets that we have frozen instead of sanctions even though there's no deal and they continue their research and enrichment. >> actually, chris they are reducing their enrich. ment. this is the first time in ten years under this current deal that iran's nuclear program is being rolled back. i know you and others don't ever want to give the obama administration credit for almost anything. but the fact is this is the first administration to get a roll back in those ten years, and right now israel and countries in the region and the world are safer because iran's 20% enriched uranium is reduced to zero and under this agreement to continue the negotiations for four months iran will further reduce the capacity of that enriched uranium to be used by turning it into fuel for the research reactor which makes it

almost impossible to be used in a weapon. in addition we have inspectors in their facilities every single day. in addition to that they have not been able to move forward on the iraq plutonium heavy water reactor. let me finish my answer. chris, i don't care how many questions you ask i'm going to finish my answer. i'm telling you that everybody said at the beginning of this, the sanctions won't work, the sanctions regime won't hold, iran won't do what it's supposed to, and they are dead wrong. everything that iran was supposed to do they have done with respect to this and we believe and the sanctions have held and we believe that it is smart to continue the negotiation as israel even as others said don't rush to an agreement, a bad deal is worse than no deal and we agree.

and so we're trying to move but we are making some progress, chris. and we're not going to turn our back on that progress, we're going to try to continue for the next four months and i think what we're doing by holding their, their nuclear program at a lower level, we've expanded the break out time, the world is safer, and this is a smart deal. >> finally, sir, and i wanted to give you and opportunity to answer the question there. >> finally, yes. >> if the limits on time have been put on by your people. we would talk to you all day. you're doing a series of interviews with all of the networks. while you were on camera and while on microphone you spoke to one of your top aides between the interviews about the situation in israel and the fact that 14 israelis have either been shot or killed in an operation. we want to play a clip of that conversation because it's an extraordinary moment of diplomacy. take a look at this.

>> it's a hell of a pinpoint operation. it's a hell of a pinpoint operation. we got to get over there. thank you, john. i think, john, we ought to go tonight. i think it's crazy to be sitting around. >> secretary kerry when you said it's a hell of a pinpoint operation your upset that the israelis are going too far and do you intend to go back to the meeting tonight, sir? >> it's very difficult in these situations, obviously very difficult, chris. you have people who have come out of tunnels. you have a right to go in and take out those tunnels. we completely support that. we support isrealis right to defend itself against rockets continuing to come in. hamas has start this process rocketing after israel was trying to find the people who

killed three young -- one american again, tlooe israeli citizens. it's disgraceful. yeah, it's tough. it's tough to have this kind of operation. i reacted obviously in a way that, you know, anybody does with respect to young children and civilians. but war is tough. i said that publicly and i'll say it again. we defend israel's right to do what it is doing in order to get at those tunnels. israel has accepted a unilateral cease-fire. accepted the egyptian plan which we also support. and it is important for hamas to now step up and be reasonable and understand that you accept the cease-fire, you save lives, and that's the way we can proceed to have a discussion about all of the underlying issues which president obama has clearly indicated a willingness to do. >> secretary kerry, we appreciate your answering all of our questions.

even if occasionally i do interrupt. thank you very much, sir. safe travels. >> thank you. thank you very much. appreciate it. now let's get reaction from the two leaders of the senate foreign relations committee joining us from new york the chair of the committee, senator robert menendez and from tennessee the committee's top republican, senator bob corker. gentlemen, you just heard secretary kerry. senator menendez, do you believe that the obama administration is taking the right response in terms of sanctions, in terms of military aid to the shoot down of that malaysian airliner or should the administration be doing more? >> well, look the secretary and the president have a tough job but i'll simply say before the shoot down, i was an advocate of further reaching sanctions to stop russia's aggression and let putin know the consequences of

continuing that gression. putin has supplied the recourses and armament to rebels. so for me, i think that the west, including the united states has to have a far more significant response than we've seen to date. it's what i thought before the shoot down and certainly this is a despicable act. i'm not worried about what putin will do. we've seen what he'll do. it's what we in the west will do. >> senator corker, last week before the shoot down you said that you thought that the u.s. and west were acting like paper tigers in the way they dealt with ukraine. now in the aftermath of this horrific shoot down, 300 people killed, the president still is not going to give military aid to ukraine and no signs of an immediate response he'll impose any sanctions. how do you feel about that? >> well, this incident is

incredibly tragic to watch what's happening with these bodies and the families are incredibly disturbed. chris, what is also tragic is the response that the west has given up to this point and in many ways because of that cautious response russia has continued to foment all the problems they created in eastern ukraine. when that occurs and we said this for months now, incidents like this are going to happen. i hope this will be a catalyst for the west to step forward. i've been incredibly discouraged by not only the u.s. response but candidly europe's response. the night vision goggles, the bullet proof vests in a conversation this weekend with the state department, i understand they are not even delivered yet to ukraine. so, look, i don't know how anybody can say our response has been anything beautut timid and

cautious. hopefully on the positive side this will galvanize the international community to take the kind of steps that should have been taken months ago to push back on putin and cause him to pay the kind of price that he should pay for this outrageous act. >> gentlemen, you both have been very skeptical about the west's nuclear talks with iran. senator menendez you called the latest offer, offered by iran this week a nonstarter. do you feel that the progress so far justifies a four month extension of those talks into late november and senator menendez do you think now is the time to impose new sanctions? will you move for new sanctions to apply more pressure to iran? >> well, look, i'm not a big proponent of paying to negotiate and the $2.8 billion that we're giving iran in essence to continue to negotiate which is something in their own interest is pretty preposterous to me.

everything i understand from the status of the negotiations there are very significant breaches between the position that i and i believe the majority of the congress would hold as to what is a good deal versus where we're at. and i am increasingly worried that while i agree with the administration on the refrain, that no deal is better than a bad deal, that we are continuously moving in a direction in which bad deal may very well be viewed as a good deal, because when we started this process we were told that a, iraq had to be closed down. >> senator menendez we have limited time. i don't mean to interrupt. i have to ask you are you going to push for new sanctions between now and november? >> well, look, i have always been a proponent of the type of sanctions that we had devised in the latest legislation which are

prospective, which sends iran a message that if, in fact, they do not reach an agreement, an agreement that we would think is a good deal, that there are consequences and the consequences would be set up. i believe those before and i believe in them now. >> senator corker, you said this week before the extension that you felt that iran was rope a doping us, playing us for more time. do you believe that there should be a four month extension in the talks and are you now going to push for new sanctions to be imposed now to increase the pressure on iran? >> chris, as i said before when you look at the beginning points of our negotiations, and the agreement that was reached sometime ago and then having a built in extension i think all of us have known there was going to be an extension. do i want us to reach a diplomatic end. like senator menendez i'm concerned about the gaps that exist from what we think is a

good deal and where we are today. but look, all diplomatic efforts should be put in place. this is the biggest thing our nation will deal with while president obama is president. i want congress to weigh in. i want to see tougher sanctions put in place in the event we don't reach an agreement this go around. we should be real clear there will be no more extensions and i think senator menendez and myself and so many others in congress have concern that iran is playing us. but look, let's carry this on out. i will say we had probably the best briefing that we've had on this topic on thursday evening, and i'm still hopeful that somehow, despite a very, very bad start, almost agreeing to enrichment on the front end at the time that we may get to a place that really does limit their ability and i want to see that carried out. >> senator corker, senator

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this war can be ended. russia can end this war. russia must end this war. >> russia, the separatists and

ukraine all have the capacity to put an end to the fighting. >> our ambassador the u.n. samantha power much tougher than president obama in blaming russia for the dramatic escalation of violence in ukraine. time for our sunday group, syndicated columnist, george will. julie pace who covers the white house for the associated press. and former ceo of hewlett-packard. dworg, what do you think of president obama's response to the airline shoot down and the aftermath his continued refusal to provide military assistance to the ukrainians and to impose any new sanctions on the russians. >> when the plane was first shot down the first reaction it marked a tleesh hold in international anarchy. the russian insurgents brought

do you some 33,000 feet a commercial aircraft. but there's no meaningful sense, chris, in which these insurgents are nonstate actors. they are appendages of the russian government supplied by them and directed by them. so in that sense there's a gap between the president's rhetoric and what is reasonable to infer about this. the president's reaction is what we need is a cease-fire. what we sneed lethal aid for the ukraines to win the war. >> julie, as some of our eyes, we have a bunch of eyes on the white house what are you picking up from officials. why is the president being so cautious? >> there are a couple of reasons. on the military side of this they simply don't see a benefit in handing over a bunch of lethal aid to the ukrainian military in part because they don't feel they have the training to be able to use it properly and there's a risk that military aid would fall into the hands of the rebels.

on the economic front we have to be realistic about what kind of power the u.s. has with sanctions when you heard your earlier guests talking, they talked about the west. europe has a much morrow bust economic relationship with russia than the u.s. does and the attention needs on the europeans because the europeans have lagged behind even where obama has been. you'll see pressure on the europeans in the next week or two to match where the uss on sanctions. >> but carly, in his news conference on friday we didn't exactly hear the blairing of a trumpet. he called the effect on the global economy is minimal. is that the right way to get the europeans off the dime? >> no. obama should first immediately stop talking to president putin. and john kerry should stop talking to his counterpart.

in diplomacy silence is a meaningful message. the only thing russia can do now is change its behavior. all this talk, talk. second, unilateral sanctions that are as punishing as we can make them should be employed now as a signal of our resolve. yet we should ratchet up the pressure on the europeans. now i happen to believe that the u.s. should have imposed some unilateral sanctions when it might have made a difference way back when russia went into the crimea. however, now we must do something. he must do something because all of this rhetoric, grave concern, the equivalent he made in those statements they are not equivalent in terms of the damage they are causing. all of that signals a lack of resolve. >> senator, is president being reasonable, presidential or timid. >> you got to give him credit

for coming out the day before this tragedy and calling for additional sanctions attempting to be strong. but we're playing a weak hand. the russians have strategic interest in ukraine. the one weakness they have is their economy. we can only affect that some. we should do everything we can to affect their economy. we need the europeans. they have been feckless. >> all right. we got a little bit of time left and i want to talk about one of the other big developments and that's extension of talks with iran. george, you have been skeptical of negotiations with iran but you're skeptical of any other alternative. is this a good decision >> it's find to extend the talks so long as we're planning to put in place containment and deterrence of a nuclear iran. the fact is the united states

policy has taught certain regimes the importance of have nuclear weapons. if gadhafi had them, he would still be in power. if saddam hussein had them he would still be in power. the regime is in power in north korea because it's got them. i'm aprayed u.s. policy has indeed given an incentive for people to develop nuclear weapons. there's no reason to believe that iran is not going to get them and no reason to believe that we who deterred the soviet union for 45 years can't deter and contain iran. >> they will get the weapons and we have to contain them. >> that's right. even though the senate has voted 90-1 condemning a policy that will be our policy, containment. >> panel we have to take a break. we'll see you later. what are your thoughts about the situation in ukraine and other foreign policy hot spots. should president obama be doing more? join the conversation on facebook with other fns viewers. up next the surge of children across our southern border

continues we'll ask senator ted cruz how he would deal with it. and so does bill, an identity thief who stole mary's identity, took over her bank accounts and stole her hard earned money. unfortunately, millions of americans just like you learn all it may take up next the surge of children

the surge of central america children crossing the southern u.s. border continues. on saturday texas senator ted cruz toured the government facility in texas where unaccompanied minors are being housed. but before cruz left for texas we sat down to discuss his controversial plan to deal with

the problem. senator cruz, welcome back to fox news sunday. >> thank you, chris. >> you want to block president obama from taking more executive actions to allow some of the illegals who are already in this country to stay here. you want to do that before moving to deal with the new crisis of kids coming from central america. why? >> what i want to do is solve the crisis. i agree with the president in one respect. we are seeing a humanitarian crisis. we're seeing tens of thousands of young children coming in illegally, being brutalized, being mistreated by global transnational drug cartels. and the cause of this crisis is the promise of amnesty. if you look at the history of this issue, in 2011 there were roughly 6,000 children apprehended coming in illegally. then in 2012 president obama unilaterally granted amnesty to some 800,000 people who were here illegally, who entered as

children. the direct foreseeable consequence of that was the number of unaccompanied children skyrocketed so that this year the obama administration is estimating 90,000 kids will come next year, 145,000. that's up from just 6,000 three years ago. >> senator, the result of this democrats say and i think most independent people believe rightly or wrongly is that would mean nothing will get passed and even some of your fellow republicans say if nothing guess passed, if you're is going to hold up any action on the immediate crisis to the deal, to stop the president from his executive actions unrelated to this immediate crisis that if you do that that means you'll prevents more enforcement from getting to the border. >> let me be clear because perhaps it's been misunderstood. the legislation that i considered to doesn't address executive action concerning irs or other areas. it's focused specifically on immigration. and what it does is it prohibits

president obama from granting any more amnesty, because the only way to solve this crisis is to stop president obama -- >> if it blocks action on this immediate crisis. >> i don't want to block action. i want action that fixes the problem. if we pass a bill, let's take president obama's proposed bill $3.7 billion. does nothing to solve the problem. >> what if you took that and they indicated they are willing to consider also adding a change to the 2008 law, the wilbur force law and to enforce the idea that all of these unaccompanied children would get a hearing in seven days. why is that not enough? >> that wouldn't solve the problem. one of the things the obama administration is trying very hard to do is blame this crisis on the 2008 law. it's not complicated why. there's nothing the obama administration enjoys more than blaming problems on president george w. bush. since the '08 law was signed by bush they can blame it all on

him. the problem with the theory when the law was passed in '08 we didn't see number of children skyrocket. it didn't skyrocket in '09, '10 or '11. the cause of the crisis was in june of 2012, president obama's granting amnesty. >> i under that argument. but what a lot of republicans even are saying is hey look without dealing with that, if we change the law, if we get more judges, if we get the seven day deadline, if we get more money for border patrols, if you want to throw -- you want to block that in effect you're perhaps the enemy of the good in pursuit of the perfect. >> what i'm interested in is fixing the problem. it's only washington. all of the proposals being floated are missing the cause of the problem. >> so how would you deal with the problem? i mean i know you say all right let's stop the executive action, let's send a clear word out there's no permissos, no

amnesty. >> let's be clear, one of the thing in the course of a lot of debates in washington is sadly they are fact free. several weeks ago the border patrol did a confidential study. they interviewed over 200 people why are you coming. a whistle blower passed this on. 95% of those coming in said we're coming because we believe we'll get amnesty, we believe as you said a permisso. in my view it's the opposite of humane, the opposite of compassionate to continue this crisis. i don't want to see tens of thousands of little boys and girls being sexually assaulted by drug dealers. the way to fix it, the bill i introduced is very simple bill. it is a page and a half. it simply says the president cannot grant amnesty going forward. it prohibits the president from granting amnesty.

>> when you say amnesty, from allowing these deferred deportations. >> from refusing to enforce our immigration laws. we got immigration laws. the reason that is going straight to the source -- look so much of washington ignores what causes a problem and washington likes to say we pass ad bill. the bill doesn't fix a problem. then it's not helping the children. the objective here is to help the kids. the way you then kids is eliminate the magnet which is president obama's amnesty. >> some democrats say, you talk about helping the children this is a humanitarian crisis above all else and the key is helping the children. harry reid blames you, attacked this year saying radical republicans are trying to hold these kids ransom and then he said this -- >> had we don't comprehensive immigration reform we wouldn't have this issue and everyone here, the border is secure.

>> senator, your reaction? >> president obama and harry reid both engaging debates divorced from the facts and divorced from the reality. harry reid lives in the ritz-carlton in washington, d.c. and i'm sure from his perspective the border seems secure. i would invite harry reid to come with me down texas and see the border. on the border we are seeing the opposite of following the law. the border is not secured. 90,000 children are expected to come in to this country illegally this year and harry reid says the border is secure? i'll tell you who is holding these kids ransom is harry reid and the president because their view is don't do anything to fix the problem. he mentions comprehensive immigration reform. the gang of eight bill is one of the causes of this problem. what the kids are saying they are coming because they believe they will get amnesty. part of the gang of eight bill

promising amnesty. >> one question i have how do you help the kids? i understand how it helps the united states not to allow them to come in to this country. how does it then kids hey you have to stay in central america. you talk about the violence in central america, the murder rate in some of these countries. i'm not saying it's our responsibility to help the kids but it doesn't then kids. >> a child being entrusted to a vicious drug dealer, is being horrifically mistreated. several weeks ago i was down at the air force base where several00 children are being kept there. a official described these drug dealers have these kids. sometimes in bringing them to this country they hold them for ransom. they reach out to the family send more money. if the families don't send money horrifically they are cutting off body parts and sending them back to families. they are saying cut off the fingers, the ears of another child. if the child refuses they are

shooting and killing that kid. we're having kids arrive here, some are maimed, have been through horrific torture and others have had a psychological trauma for having to carry that out on pain of death. continuing this regime where tens of thousands of kids are being brutalized by drug dealers is not humane, is not compassion enamel. that's what democrats and harry reid want to do. they don't want to fix frontal boundary. they want children to keep coming into a situation where they are brutalized. >> senator, we got about two minutes left. let's talk about the malaysian airliner. president obama condemned the shoot down. he has called on vladimir putin to stop helping the separatists rebels in eastern ukraine but as we talk and we're talk on friday afternoon, he has t announced any new action on the russians. how would president cruz handle

vladimir putin and the situation in the ukraine? >> the fact are still developing and our prayers are all with the families of those who were murdered on that airline. what we appear to cho right now is it appears to have been a buk russian missile. that kind of technology is not randomly found on the streets. that likely found its way into the hand of russian rebels and russian separatists in ukraine because of putin direct involvement. >> how would you get putin to stop. >> we need vigorous sanctions. we need sanctions that tar get the russian financial sector that put serious consequences for what putin is doing. two, we should immediately reinstate the antiballistic batteries in eastern europe that president obama cancelled. three we need to open up the export of liquid natural gas

which will help liberate ukraine and eastern europe and will impose real financial penalties on russia and will create jobs and economic growth back here. that's what leadership would look like. standing up to putin instead of demonstrating weakness because when putin says weakness, he democrats over and over again aggression and willingness to go after others. >> senator cruz, thank you. always good to talk with you, sir. >> thank you, chris. when we come back with crises across the globe from ukraine to middle east to asia there are growing doubts about u.s. global power. we'll bring our sunday group back to discuss that.

>> i think there have been a number of situations in which you've seen under strags intervene in a meaningful way, that has substantially furthered american interests and substantially improved the, you know, the tranquility of the global community. white house spokesman josh earnest insisting president obama's policies are working on a week when global tranquility is in short supply and we're back now with the panel. george, there is growing talk that we have not seen this kind of instability and this kind of challenge, the u.s. power back since the '80s and we put this picture up on the screen when russia invaded afghans.

do you see some parallels. >> a few. there's not a single global crisis here. not a single cause of turmoil. there's a lot of little regional conflicts. israelis, for example, the tragedy that they have to do this but they are taking care of themselves and notice the dog that isn't barking. no one is helping hamas. no one is doubting israel's right of self-defense. we must be aware of what's been called narcissistic policy disorder that everything in the world is about us. something we said or didn't say or didn't do it would all be well if we didn't say or do something. >> we asked you questions for financial. we got a bunch on facebook. phil asked how many more fundraisers does he have planned? kim mcdowell writes about the president and his response to the shoot down, why is he still

campaigning and fundraising when there are major world problems happening. julie, why didn't the president change his schedule? you hear this from an awful lot of people. why didn't he change his schedule after the shoot down and when you talk to people in the white house do they see a down side to him conducting business as usual when things are going hell. >> it was a bit of an odd contrast. the president out fundraising at the same time this plane is shot down, an israeli ground operation in gaza. the white house says there's a down side to cancelling events, to coming back to the white house, that it mix it took like something is perhaps bigger than sirkts it causes unnecessary concern among the american people. but, there is a down side to continuing on. it makes the president look like he's out of touch. maybe it's a matter of optics but optics matter. >> i want to pick up on george's

point about areas assinarcissis disorder. the arab spring the turmoil in the arab world is greater than ever. is it fair to blame president obama for much of this? >> yes, it is fair. american leadership matters in the world. american strength matters in the world. it particularly matters when things are going wrong. president obama has made two crucial errors. first he confuses ending a war with securing the peace. unfortunately the way he ended the wars in iraq and attempting the end the war in afghanistan making both of those situations very, very troublesome. secondly he continues to believe his words matter. his word matter less and less because both our friends and allies as well as our enemies have figured out words do not signal intention. there is no execution behind them. and that creates a situation in which our allies believe they cannot count on us and our enemies believe they can ignore

us. >> senator bayh, is that fair. one from policy to optics what can this president be doing better >> the truth is most of this. >> built is being caused by things that predate this president and will haunt the next president as well. our ability to correct these things are at the margin. while the american people want us to be strong they don't favor aggressive intervention abroad. so if you want to criticize him, should we have drawn a red line in syria, no. armed the rebels yes. we have to stay strong with regard to the iran nuclear problem. >> thank you panel. see you next week. a final note when we come back.

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